Homeschooling with Saxon Calculus

1/28/2022

Today I write to share my experience for people thinking about homeschooling using Saxon Calculus. I homeschooled my first daughter using Saxon Calculus, Second Edition. I have decided to try using the first edition for subsequent teaching rather than the second edition. I was dissatisfied with the second edition for reasons mentioned below.

My calculus background: I took Saxon Calculus (First Edition) in high school, and I had no problems. Enjoyed it. In college, I have no idea what book I used for Calculus I, but I had no issues whatsoever earning my A.

Calculus Curriculum Terminology (AB? BC? Calculus I? Calculus II?)

When you choose a calculus curriculum for homeschool or high school, it gets a little confusing and you need to know some terminology. This is what I know, which may be corrected if you know more.

The terms “AB” and “BC” are terms made up by the makers of the Advanced Placement (AP) tests. (The makers and sellers of the AP tests are called the College Board.)

The terms Calculus I and Calculus II (and Calculus III) are traditional terms used by colleges. Calculus I usually covers differentials and limits, some basic integration. Calculus II covers more integration techniques, series/sequence. (Calculus III is multi-variate and not single variable.)

If students do AP’s AB calculus, then they get the equivalent of about what is covered in college Calculus I. And if students do AP BC calculus, then they roughly get the equivalent of college Calculus I plus Calculus II.

I wonder why the AP producers did not use the traditional terminology. Does anyone know? (The initial idea of AP may have been sound, but where it has gone today seems wrong for sincere seekers of learning.)

I Picked the Second Edition Saxon

For our first go-round with calculus in our homeschool, I selected Saxon’s Calculus with Trigonometry and Analytic Geometry, Second Edition. My public high school when I was a student used Saxon Calculus, First Edition, which is about equivalent, from what I understand, to college level Calculus I. I chose the Second Edition for my daughter based on all the reviews saying that it was better, more comprehensive, and prepared a student better for the AP exam.

I was taught calculus in high school using Saxon Calculus, First Edition. And I don’t remember that book being as hard as my daughter’s Saxon Calculus, Second Edition book. The second edition has made significant edits to make it correlate with the AP exam, which covers approximately college level Calculus I and Calculus II.

My daughter does not anticipate taking the AP calculus test, nor does she plan to study mathematics (beyond potentially needed prerequisites) in college. I wish sorely I had tracked down the first edition Saxon edition I was trained on for my first daughter. But all the reviews said that the second edition was the way to go. And I was worried that my daughter would be taking classes with kids who had AP classes, so the college calculus class might be geared to the knowledge those kids came to college classes with. So I selected the second edition, which is also much easier to come by than the first edition of the book.

In hindsight, I am now aware that basic college calculus is basic college calculus, and the first edition would have been just fine for our purposes. Although the scope of many college subjects has progressed by 2022, say computer technology or molecular biology, basic Calculus I has not.

Why Choose Saxon Calculus at all?

  1. Information comes in small bite-sized bits rather than tackling complex material all at once.
  2. The explanations are thorough and written with good, understandable prose.
  3. The practice problems are cumulative, really promoting retention.
  4. With mastery of the lessons, you have a good, solid understanding and improved long-term retention.
  5. The page layout is simple and flows. Many new texts have “busy” graphic layouts, not Saxon.

Cons of the Second Edition:

  1. There is too much material in the second edition. There are 148 problem sets. (In the first edition, there are just 117 problem sets.) Also, there are more problems in each problem set in the new edition than the old edition. It actually states that the second edition is to be a three semester class. I guess that’s fine. But since my student isn’t interested in mathematics or other hard-core math related fields and she’s not taking the AP test, she could have done just fine with the first edition’s lesser quantity material, which states is to be covered in two semesters. And then, if by chance after that, she loved calculus, we could have found another text to use for advanced study.
  2. It expects students to have a complex understanding of “arithmetic series,” much deeper than was presented by the Saxon algebra and advanced mathematics texts we used prior to Calculus. (I do not know if perhaps we lack understanding of the needed advanced arithmetic series information because we used older algebra/advanced mathematics editions. Maybe the new Saxon algebra texts cover arithmetic series really well? The old ones teach it at a very basic, introductory level. NOT the level this second edition calculus book demands!) So we had to spend a lot of time learning this to be able to proceed.
  3. Some of the trigonometry equations required were also not presented as thoroughly in prior texts as this book “assumes” its student will have. So you had to go back and learn these.
  4. Not enough supplemental practice problems to do if a student struggles with a particular concept.
  5. When something is not understood, then cross-referencing with other resources is difficult. Why? Because Saxon presents learning in little pieces sporadically as you travel through the lessons. Other resources present it all-out in a discrete unit. Saxon doesn’t always call the new little pieces that are learned along the way by names that will help you cross reference to another text when you get stuck. Make sense?
  6. I guess maybe I just feel like they tried to introduce calculus “theory” and understanding too early in the lesson sequence of the book. I actually kind of enjoyed it because I had some (limited) calculus background, and I was getting to learn exactly what this calculus stuff was “doing!” But my daughter did not like that. She just needed to get comfortable with DOING the work, and then the theory might have sunk in better later in the text. But I feel like the new edition wanted to teach the kids the why early on. If you read about John Saxon’s teaching theory, he didn’t believe in teaching the why and the theory too early in his math books. It can bog down learning. I feel like the book was trying to set the user up for the more complex Calculus II topics (BC), but my user just needed to get comfortable with this new style of math! So again, I suspect I would have been happier with the first edition which doesn’t cover as much Calculus II and setting up of theory for it–then supplementing at the end of we wanted to do more advanced calculus.

Supplemental Resources We Used:

Calculus textbook by Larson and Edwards

On-line tutoring

Khan Academy videos

Calculus for Everyone by Mitch Stokes

Essential Calculus Skills Practice Workbook, Chris McMullen, PhD

CLEP Calculus

Miscellaneous Thoughts

  1. I will use the first edition for my next student, which from experience I feel does a great job with limits, derivatives, and basic integrals without bogging the learner down like the second edition does. My daughters are leaning towards health-related sciences, and they will only need one basic college calculus class. (I went to medical school. My kids are considering that. Some medical schools don’t even require math. Some don’t require calculus. Check the schools you want for prerequisites!) I really do prefer Saxon’s teaching methods, so I want to stick with Saxon. But my students do not need the more advanced topics that the second edition has made revisions to accommodate. The first edition covers basic college calculus preparation quite well without the extra fluff for AP exams. If my daughters wish to proceed to Calculus II one day, the first edition is adequate to help them do well in their Calculus I college class and give them a very strong foundation to move on.
  2. We found an on-line tutor to help us periodically. He was displeased with the sequence of the Saxon second edition book and made no bones about expressing his irritation about it with us. (Kind of stated, “Too much, too early. Why so early? It’ll just depress students.”) I know that there are on-line classes which use the second edition for homeschoolers, and if I used the second edition again, I would use one of those actual classes rather than try to teach it on my own. Those math-minded people would do a better job knowing how to teach any gaps and how to skip unnecessary lessons and problems without interrupting the flow of the cumulative Saxon program. We had to use many extra resources and time as we sifted through this. (I do not consider it wasted time…but my daughter complained a lot…but I think it taught her how to fend for herself in the academic world to get what she needed.)
  3. Another homeschooling family I know used the second edition of Calculus, and their daughter liked it a lot. Different strokes for different folks. That student likes computer programming and math. My daughter does advanced math because I make her and she might need a calculus class in college as a prerequisite for her graduate school plans (and plus I know she can do it).
  4. My daughter has transitioned well to calculus-based physics.
  5. Good luck to you whatever you decide! Have fun with it. If you’re at the this point, your child is about to graduate and move on! This is what you prepared them for! Watch them fly!

13 thoughts on “Homeschooling with Saxon Calculus

    1. thehomeschoolingdoctor Post author

      Hi! That is true about editions. I didn’t realize that before homeschooling at all. That the editions could be so different and not necessarily “better.”

      I remember the curriculum because it was kind of a big deal when our school did Saxon. (I went to a smallish school–100 per grade.) Some of the teachers didn’t like it. But the head teacher, who made a huge difference in my own academic life (and taught three years of math for me), chose it and pushed for it. I saw the same publisher for Math 6/7, Algebra 1/2, Algebra I, Algebra II, Advanced Mathematics, and Calculus. The name just stuck in my head after all those years of seeing it.

      Have a great day!

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  1. MM

    Wow, this is so timely! Thank you! My 8th grader is finishing Algebra 2 with occasional use of SaxonTeacher CDs. We already have Advanced Math and the corresponding SaxonTeacher CDs. I was interested in finding a similar teaching aide for Saxon Calculus when I came upon your review! Great info to note! P.S. Iā€™m a PharmD homeschooling mom and k also have two MD sisters!

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  2. FS

    On the naming of AB/BC calculus for the AP courses, the way it was explained to me when I took AP calculus BC ~10 years ago was that the naming was based on the old quarter system colleges used when the courses were originally developed. So the AB course would teach you what you would learn in the first two (A and B) quarters of college, now covered in a semester in Calculus I, and the BC course would teach you the material for the first three (A, B, and C) quarters, now covered in two semesters as Calculus I and II.

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  3. Laura

    Thank you for this article! My son is finishing the second edition in his junior year. I did not realize that it is a three semester book; that explains why there are so many lessons. Do you have a recommendation for his senior year math? He will likely pursue engineering in college. Also, I am searching for a calculus based physics curriculum. Any recommendations?

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  4. Anonymous

    Hi, we use the 1st edition, and the book says that it provides an intensive review of the topics from algebra, trigonometry, and analytic geometry that are necessary for success in calculus and an in-depth coverage of topics normally taught in the first two semesters of a three-semester calculus sequence. I think that means one year of college calculus.

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  5. Anonymous

    Hi I noticed that you used Mitch Stokes Calculus for Everyone as a supplemental. Could you tell me more about it. Trying to decide for my students next year. I’m partial to Saxon as that’s what I grew up on and have taught from and I do love his material. Thanks!!

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    1. thehomeschoolingdoctor Post author

      I liked reading the Stokes book for myself because it does a good job verbally explaining what calculus is and what you’re “doing.” In my opinion, Saxon teaches processes very well but not the “why” of what you’re doing. I could do the work, but I never really understood how it was all working, fitting together, and what it meant in the real world. I can “do” math and I got good test scores–but I’m not a “natural,” so these things don’t just come to me. I was able to teach my kids (who were using Saxon) better after reading Stokes’ book. I definitely appreciated that.

      To me, the Stokes’ book is not an in-depth calculus math text. For my kids, I used it for some supplemental problems in addition to the Saxon book. My kids’ work load with school and life was not conducive to me assigning extra calculus work, but if it was, I’d have loved to assign reading from the Stokes’ book to them along with their Saxon work. Stokes’ verbal/written explanations are excellent, especially for that type of learner! It might also be great for a student who actually might be a great math-minded student, but didn’t do well in prior earlier math curriculum due to the process-driven material requiring lots of mundane work. However, I personally feel like if you have traditional “good” math students, it is not enough to prepare them for CLEP or a more difficult college calculus class.

      Sorry for my delay. We’ve been on vacation. If you have further questions, let me know.

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  6. Anonymous

    Hi, I am Lynn Martin at lynnfmartin@yahoo.com if you care to contact me off of this system, which I would welcome.
    I am surprised and very pleased with your analysis of the Saxon Hake math system. I am 80 years old now and what seems like a million years ago my wife and I home schooled our children at a time with homeschooling was an actively persecuted decision. I applaud you for that one decision alone, but further applaud you for your accurate analysis of mathematics / algebra / calculus texts that are based on the “publish and sell” ethic of those who must create new sounding improvements to sell to conventional school district book buyers, (most of the buyers are underqualified to be making the sort of textbook decisions you are making with and for your daughter).
    I approach this subject from a grandfather’s perspective and as an experienced teacher, tutor, and nuclear energy trainer where for years I was responsible for developing and training nuclear power operators at the *Savannah River Nuclear Site in South Caroline. Now retired I am currently looking for math and sciences text books for home schooling students who will be needing the very education that you seek for your daughter, Your assessments are accurate, and it took years and millions of *dollars at a *government controlled site to come up with your candid independent assessment and to go on to develop a comprehensive nuclear operator education program in basic math, algebra, geometry, trigonometry, physics, chemistry, nuclear energy, thermodynamics, nuclear engineering, and the specific risks for operations at the Savannah River Site.
    I hired people who were able to develop such training, and if I could have found a person with your assessment ability I would have recommended hiring you on the spot.
    I would welcome your insights for my current home schooling project, but would prefer that you e-mail me directly at my e-mail address above. (I check my e-mail periodically, but not daily)
    PS all of my children went on to receive college degrees and are currently employed in various industries including medical, first responder and direct services professions.

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